In an interview with “Meet the Press” Rumsfeld said that “...you + a few other critics are the only people I’ve heard use the phrase ‘immediate threat’,
I didn’t, the president didn’t… + it’s become kind of folklore that that’s what happened”.
He was then confronted with his own words: “No terror state poses a greater or more ‘immediate threat’ to the security of our people + the stability of our world than the regime of Sadam Hussein in Iraq”. To see the video go to: https://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/ |URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
And, why does the left continually, + quite correctly, berate the Bush [BGW968] regime for obvious pathological lies regarding it’s twisted excuses for a totally unwarranted invasion of a soveriegn country and yet seems to buy it’s equally, if not more so, false explanation for 11.Sep.2001? True or false: did or did not one of Bush [BGW968]’s evil cronies say after they cooked up the Project for a New American Century, but well before Bush [BGW968]league II stole power, “what we need is another Pearl Harbor?” Uh, duh...wouldn’t you say? Complacency in 11.Sep.2001? How about creation? The Bush [BGW968] regime from top to bottom are low life traitors...the writer of the following may not be clairvoyant or a prophet, however, you surely remember, loosely paraphrasing, “...it doesn’t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows...”
“We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its weapons of mass destruction programs.” URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
At the time all these things were happening, I was dismayed that the press was not taking take greater notice of “clues” that the administration was fudging.
All the data was right there on the Internet. But unfortunately the press, like many others, were blinded by fear.
I’ll pass along a note about your report to the peace e-mail networks I subscribe to. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
Nobody wants to believe that their president + his handlers (which, in the case of a real presidency are called advisers) could so blatantly betray the people’s trust.
But the truth is the truth + no matter how ugly it gets, it cannot be changed. We must, as a nation, deal with the lies accordingly + send the liars packing in 02.Nov.2004
The longer we wait to take our country back, the harder it will be to do. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
Taken individually, any one of these deceptions could be grounds for the type of media focus and legal scrutiny that accompanied a lie about private adult sexual activity in the previous administration. But the noise created by trying to give each one of them the coverage it deserves serves to drown out any attempt at significant, easy-to-follow reporting on any one of them individually. It’s much easier for the average hard-working busy family to follow a story about “sex” than, say, a story about undermining national security by treasonously exposing the identity of an undercover CIA employee, thus endangering the lives of people working to make the USA Safer.
This entire situation and the people behind it sicken me. How can people be so slimy and false? Our pres manages to make Saddam look like a victim more than anything.
How was this able to happen? Why didn’t somebody stand up and expose them? Lots of people knew…
I dont’ know, maybe this will teach us a lesson...vote, challenge the government, don’t be intimidated by fear tactics + propoganda...no, that’s bs, we shouldn’t have to babysit our government...but we do! They apparently can’t be trusted. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
This was the most clear headed description, of the long term Iraq conflict, that I have heard or seen, so far.
13.Nov.2002 He predicted on- that Bush [BGW968] would go to war, no matter what.
It would be wise for people, that really want to know, what has actually been happening, to listen to what he said then, or to find a printed copy.
It would be wise for people, that really want to preserve, protect and defend our Constitution, from enemies both foreign + domestic, to hold our leaders accountable, for not leading with very much wisdom.
00.Mar.2003 -Then in- Ritter predicted that they would find no WMD’s. check it out: https://www.dangerouscitizen.com/downloads/418.aspx “audio recording of “war on iraq: how did we get here?”
the truth about the wmd’s. really neat talk on our constitution + how to do inspections in spite of iraq, un + us, + how ignorant Bush [BGW968] was about wmd’s.
all they had to do is ask scott + or his technical team.
it was an accounting problem, not a clear + present threat. us had unilateral policy of regime change that was not un sanctioned.
us did not cooperate with inspectors because the president did not really want disarmament. israel did want disarmament.
he straight out said that there were no wmd’s + why there were no wmd’s! no wonder blix thought he could finish up in 90 days!
I am amazed that there are citizens that will actually vote for Bush [BGW968] in 02.Nov.2004
If he is re-elected, I am afraid of what the next 4 years would bring + the effects that Bush [BGW968] policy will have for years to come, both nationally + internationally.
I am not a wealthy person but I am sending every extra dollar I have to Kerry + the DNC. For the future of my sons and for the future of this country.
If the Dems had won the Senate in 00.000.2002 Bush [BGW968] + Cheney + Rumsfield + Rice would be in the process of being impeached.
The harm these arrogant fools have done to this country goes beyond belief. Let’s hope that Bush goes away on 02.Nov.2004 .
If Bush [BGW968] doesn’t, I fear for the future of USA. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
Bob Woodward in “Plan of Attack” indicates that the Bush [BGW968] Administration (I think Bush [BGW968] himself) was called by Pres Hosne Mubarak of Egypt to negotiate this very deal. There were no weapons to capture + they new that, so why not?
Wouldn’t that have got them the holy grail? A peaceful transition to democracy- or any new peaceful government--rather than trying to reconstruct bombed out infrastructure + overcoming the massive civilian casualties that would surely result from the bombing, invasion + occupation of an Arab country. Nevermind the PROPAGANDA fallout, both there + worldwide. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
I heard there was even a correction published in the NY Times following an article they did pointing out their denial.
Someone once told me that last bit was found by way of a Lexis Nexus search for the article, sorry I can’t remember the date. I don’t have LN so I can’t confirm it.
see Slate below https://slate.msn.com/id/2070410/
The real reason for attacking the Iraqi regime always has been disconnected from its public rationale.
00.000.2002 -On the day after the USA launched the military strike that quickly liberated Afghanistan from the Taliban, my column identified Iraq as the second target in President Bush [BGW968]’s war against terrorism.
I did not write one word about weapons of mass destruction because not one such word was mentioned to me in many interviews with Bush [BGW968] policymakers.
Pre-emptive elimination of Hussein would not win over the UN Security Council, which had to be convinced the Iraqi dictator was a present danger.
Here’s the former editor of the Washington Times, Arnaud de Borchgrave: https://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20040209-090308-2 2252r.htm
There is still time to remind ourselves WMDs were not the principal reason for going to war against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq; they were the pretext.
And that’s why irrefutable evidence was not the standard. Axis of evil regime change was the lodestar.
This, in turn, would “snowball” — the analogy only works in the Cedar Mountains of Lebanon — through the region, bringing democracy from Syria to Egypt + to the sheikhdoms + emirates + monarchies of the Gulf.
And Israel could at long last lower its guard and look forward to a generation of peace. That was the vision. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
Bush [BGW968] said in his terrornews conference yesterday that, he would have attacked Iraq, even knowing what he knows today.
So he has indeed made a mea culpa that he was hell bent on invading Iraq, no matter what the CIA or NSA told him early in 00.000.2003 .
07.Aug.2004 Now the situation is so grave in Iraq, that the press hardly ever gives a true picture of events.
If Josh, who is a trusted journalist who writes for a number of respected publications, can discover this in less than 24 hours, why can’t the brains at the NY Times do likewise?
+ has also been noted, someone should clearly have called Bush [BGW968] on his claim that he wants the post to be OUTSIDE the White House “so it won’t be subject to undue influence.”
Given the clear evidence of how the Bush [BGW968] Administration badgered + circumvented USA traditional intelligence channels with its own Special Office on Intelligence in the Pentagon + then went around the CIA to present its patently flawed (+ now proven false) claims of WMD directly to the President, one should begin laughing out loud if it weren’t so tragic. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
To think that Clinton almost got impeached for a Cuban Cigar + yet Bush [BGW968] has lied, openly lied to a Nation + he is on the ballot for 02.Nov.2004
They come home to a sofa + a cold beer + suck this misinformation in.
Part of the problem is their lack of curiosity, yet most Americans have been taught to have faith in this system.
What we are witnessing is a collapse of the 4th Branch of government. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
When our leaders cease to know the difference between the truth and a lie, the nation is headed for disaster.
If I may shamelessly flog two articles on this topic: https://www.americanpolitics.com/20020405Utwater.html |https://www.americanpolitics.com/20020426Utwater.html
Indeed, these apologists have no option but to try to distract public attention from the simple truth that not a shred of solid evidence exists to substantiate this key charge that fueled the push for war. They knew there was no hard evidence of chemical or biological weapons URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
They also tout the recent UK report (a.k.a. The Butler Report) as defending the president’s uranium claim. Yet, if the White House did not cherry-pick or manipulate intelligence, why did the president trumpet USA intelligence from a foreign government while ignoring explicit warnings not to do so from his own? The record shows USA intelligence officials explicitly warned the White House that “the Brits have exaggerated this issue.” Yet, the administration refused to listen. Even The Butler Report itself acknowledges the evidence is cloudy. As nonproliferation expert Joseph Cirincione of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace recently pointed out, “The claim appears shaky at best—hardly the stuff that should make up presidential decisions.” URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
Bush [BGW968] + Rice both tried to blame the CIA for the failure, saying the assertion “was cleared by the intelligence services.”
When the intelligence agency produced the memos it had sent to the White House on the subject, Rice didn’t miss a beat, telling Meet The Press “it is quite possible that I didn’t” read the memos at all—as if they were “optional” reading for the nation’s top national security official on the eve of war.
At about this time, some high-level administration official or officials leaked to the press that Ambassador Joseph Wilson’s wife was an undercover CIA agent—
a move widely seen as an attempt by the administration to punish Wilson for his 06.Jul.2003 New York Times op-ed that stated he had found no evidence of an Iraqi effort to purchase uranium from Niger. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
Specifically, the agency sent two memos to the White House + Tenet personally called top national security officials imploring them not to use the claim.
While the warnings forced the White House to remove a uranium reference from an 00.Oct.2002 presidential address, they did not stop the charge from being included in the 00.000.2003 State of the Union. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
“The UK government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.”
The careful phrasing of this statement highlights how dishonest it was.
By attributing the claim to an allied government, the White House made a powerful charge yet protected itself against any consequences should it be proved false.
In fact, the president invoked the UK because his own intelligence experts had earlier warned the White House not to make the claim at all. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
They knew the Iraq-uranium claims were not supported. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
00.Mar.2003 USA State Department s director stated, “Iraq’s efforts to import these aluminum tubes were not likely to be related” to nuclear weapons deployment.
Yet, this evidence did not stop the White House either. Pretending the administration never received any warnings at all, URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
The State Department affirmed reports from Energy Department experts who concluded those tubes were ill-suited for any kind of uranium enrichment.
And according to memos released by the Senate Intelligence Committee, the State Department also warned Powell not to use the aluminum tubes hypothesis in the days before his 00.Feb.2003 UN speech. He refused and used the aluminum tubes claim anyway. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
00.Jul.2003 -That same month- White House spokesman Scott McClellan insisted: “There’s a lot of evidence showing that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.” They knew the aluminum tubes were not for nuclear weapons URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
He was echoed by State Department spokesman Richard Boucher, who told reporters of supposedly grave “concerns about Iraq’s potential nuclear programs.”
Even after the invasion, when troops failed to uncover any evidence of nuclear weapons, the White House refused to admit the truth.URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
The CIA was backed up by Bush [BGW968]’s own State Department: Around the time Bush [BGW968] gave his speech, the department’s intelligence bureau said that evidence did not “add up to a compelling case that Iraq is currently pursuing what [we] consider to be an integrated and comprehensive approach to acquiring nuclear weapons.”
Nonetheless, the administration continued to push forward. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
But such an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country required a public rationale. And so the Bush [BGW968] administration struck fear into the hearts of Americans about Saddam Hussein’s supposed WMD, starting with nuclear arms. URL: https://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
07.Aug.2004 -recently- As the 11.Sep.2001 Commission reported, there was “no credible evidence” of a collaborative relationship between Iraq + al Qaeda.
Similarly, no weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq. With USA casualties mounting in an election year, the White House is grasping at straws to avoid being held accountable for its dishonesty.
00.Jul.2004 The whitewash already has started: Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee released a controversial report blaming the CIA for the mess.
The panel conveniently refuses to evaluate what the White House did with the information it was given or how the White House set up its own special team of Pentagon political appointees (called the Office of Special Plans) to circumvent well-established intelligence channels. And Vice President Dick Cheney continues to say without a shred of proof that there is “overwhelming evidence” justifying the administration’s pre-war charges.
But as author Flannery O’Conner noted, “Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” That means no matter how much defensive spin spews from the White House, the Bush [BGW968] administration cannot escape the documented fact that it was clearly warned before the war that its rationale for invading Iraq was weak.
Compiled by Archive senior fellow + Vietnam expert John Prados, today's 40th anniversary electronic briefing book includes Dr. Prados's detailed analysis of the intercepts - only declassified in 2003 - together with audio files + transcripts of the key Tonkin Gulf conversations between President Johnson + Defense Secretary Robert McNamara.
The latter are excerpted from Dr. Prados's book, The White House Tapes (New York: The New Press, 2003). The posting also contains photographs and charts from the Tonkin Gulf incident courtesy of the USA Naval Historical Center, a detailed documentary chronology compiled by the State Department's Office of the Historian for the Foreign Relations of the USA series, a CIA Special National Intelligence Estimate on possible North Vietnamese responses to USA actions from 00.May 1964 (just declassified in 00.Jun.2004 ) + links to previous and upcoming Archive publications on Vietnam. URL: https://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/index.htm
Johnson-McNamara Tapes Show Readiness to Escalate, Even on Suspect Intel;
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 132
Edited by John Prados
07.Aug.2004 Hiroshima mayor slams USA over new nuclear arms: "Ignoring the UN + international law, the USA has resumed research to make nuclear weapons smaller and more 'usable'," he said.
07.Aug.2004 In case you missed it: USA sees atom bomb as God, Hiroshima mayor says : Hiroshima's mayor lashed out at the USA' nuclear weapons policy yesterday during ceremonies marking the 58th anniversary of the city's atomic bombing, which caused the deaths of over 230,000 people.
07.Aug.2004 Scientists alarmed at increase in melt rate of ice : GREENLAND’S cover of ice is melting ten times quicker than previously thought, an increase that could lead to floods across the world, scientists have found.
07.Aug.2004 Fear, Not Fortitude, Propels USA Empire : The shining star of USA democracy may be fading, as USA responds to threats with fear and economic self-interest. Worldwide, democracy may also be on the retreat.
07.Aug.2004 Parting ways with Bush [BGW968]'s gang: Neo-con Francis Fukuyama supported Bush [BGW968] until he invaded Iraq. Despite his ranking as one of the world's foremost public intellectuals and a leading neoconservative thinker, he will not be voting Republican this year and believes his old ally, Rumsfeld, should have resigned over Iraq.
07.Aug.2004 Ashcroft, Bush [BGW968], Ridge and the Law of Averages : If they keep crying “WOLF” long enough they are bound to be right someday.
At that point, they’ll rise up on their haunches and say, “See, we told you so!!”
07.Aug.2004 Senator Accuses Investigators of Abuse : Sen. Richard Shelby accused federal law enforcement officials of abuse Thursday after a newspaper reported that federal investigators had concluded he leaked to the media classified messages from the eve of the 11.Sep.2001 attacks.
07.Aug.2004 McCain condemns anti-Kerry ads, calls on White House to follow suit: Republican Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry's military service "dishonest and dishonorable" and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.
07.Aug.2004 Key Figure in Anti-Kerry Book Recants; Admits He Lied: A key figure in a veterans' anti-Kerry campaign, Kerry's former commanding officer, admitted today he lied when he said the Democratic candidate for President did not deserve the Silver Star
07.Aug.2004 Wealthy Texan helps fund ads blasting Kerry: A wealthy Texan and prolific Republican donor is helping bankroll a television ad assailing Democrat John Kerry's decorated military record in the Vietnam War.
07.Aug.2004 Ralph Nader: Democratic Party Should Live Up to Its Name: Though the Democrats have the right to robustly oppose my independent presidential campaign, they don't have the right to engage in dirty tricks designed to deny millions of voters the opportunity to choose who should be the next president. Y
Playing War with Boy George Bush [BGW968]: The Nation's Ian Williams Profiles the Deserter in Chief and the Latest Anti-Kerry Television Spot
07.Aug.2004 Chicago Man Arrested in Plot to Bomb Courthouse: A convicted counterfeiter who had a grudge against the government was arrested on Thursday for plotting with undercover USA agents to blow up the building housing federal offices in Chicago, prosecutors said.
07.Aug.2004 USA hold pair in missile scheme: Two men are being charged with providing material support to terrorism by participating in a conspiracy to help someone they believed was a terrorist purchase a shoulder-fired missile. The person was in fact a convicted felon working undercover for the government to reduce his prison sentence.
07.Aug.2004 Judge's ruling a major setback for prosecution in terrorism case: A federal judge has dealt the government a setback in its high-profile terrorism case against former professor Sami al-Arian, accused of being the USA mastermind of Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
07.Aug.2004 Terror plot in Carmel denied : Republican Rep. Katherine Harris said Wednesday she regrets making the claim that a plot existed to blow up the power grid in Carmel, Ind.
If this case involved a Muslim or an Arab Man would it have been reported by Ashcroft and USA media? WMD Plot Uncovered In East Texas: At least one weapon of mass destruction - a sodium cyanide bomb capable of delivering a deadly gas cloud - has been seized in the Tyler area. Investigators have seized at least 100 other bombs, bomb components, machine guns, 500,000 rounds of ammunition and chemical agents.
07.Aug.2004 USA Uncovers Weapons of Mass Destruction, Not in Iraq But in Texas & the National Media Ignores The Story : This is a story of weapons of mass destruction. Chemical weapons. Domestic Terrorism. Forged Identifications. And media double standards.
07.Aug.2004 Foreigners own half USA debt, tipping point unclear: Data showing foreigners own half the USA debt has raised concerns about a possible tipping point for USA's reliance on foreign capital
07.Aug.2004 Feds back wiretap rules for Internet: The 5-0 vote by the FCC is a major step toward regulations designed to help police + spy agencies eavesdrop on all forms of high-speed Internet access
07.Aug.2004 Ex-Halliburton workers claim accounting fraud : Company unit accused of inflating figures
07.Aug.2004 Australia: Asylum seekers can be locked up 'indefinitely': The decision has outraged refugee supporters and opposition parties.
07.Aug.2004 In case you missed it: Australia's detention camps criticised: Human rights groups and asylum seekers have repeatedly criticised conditions at Australia's detention centres for illegal immigrants.
07.Aug.2004 Gulf allies 'all faced chemical exposure' : USA investigators researching illnesses suffered by veterans of the first Gulf war yesterday insisted that all troops and civilians in the area might have been exposed to low levels of chemical agents.
07.Aug.2004 Bruce Springsteen: The stakes are too high to sit this out : It is through the truthful exercising of the best of human qualities - respect for others, honesty about ourselves, faith in our ideals - that we come to life in God's eyes. It is how our soul, as a nation and as individuals, is revealed.
07.Aug.2004 The Hand-Over That Wasn't: Illegal Orders give the USA a Lock on Iraq's Economy
07.Aug.2004 Paul Krugman: What About Iraq?: A funny thing happened after the USA transferred sovereignty over Iraq. On the ground, things didn't change, except for the worse.
07.Aug.2004 Why Bush [BGW968] Went to War: There were three reasons why the Bush [BGW968] administration went to war: oil, Israel + military transformation.
07.Aug.2004 Law Experts Condemn USA Memos On Torture : "The position taken by the government lawyers in these legal memoranda amount to counseling a client as to how to get away with violating the law,"
07.Aug.2004 Testimony Implicates Abu Ghraib Questioners: The statements contradicted the government's position that only seven rogue soldiers — all military police — were directly responsible for the abuse.
07.Aug.2004 Schofield soldier gets 3 years for murdering handcuffed Iraqi citizen: A Schofield Barracks soldiers was sentenced today to three years in prison and given a dishonorable discharge for shooting to death an unarmed Iraqi cowherder who was handcuffed.
07.Aug.2004 Truckers recount Iraq horror stories: Promised good salary, accommodation and attractive perks, they were made to live in circumstances similar to those in Hitler's concentration camps.
06.Aug.2004 Amerikanischer Kulturkampf: Mit Vollgas gegen das Tabu (UniSPIEGEL,
06.Aug.2004 Planet Erde: Sind wir doch einzigartig?
06.Aug.2004 Jukos-Schock: Ölpreis erreicht neues Rekordhoch
06.Aug.2004 Chemieindustrie: Ölpreis-Schock verursacht Milliardenverluste (Wirtschaft,
06.Aug.2004 Spanien: Häftling klebt sich an Freundin fest
06.Aug.2004 Wall-Street-Schluss: USA-Börse auf Talfahrt